Curse

gene terrodon · Aug 14, 2007, 01:56 PM // 13:56

There have been many "I got banned" threads posted in these forums.

It has always been inevitable that there will be a post stating that “the reason" for the bans were ultimately so Anet/NCSoft can sell more copies of their game.

Well that surely is not the case. For all of you conspiracy theorists out there please read a direct quote from the EULA.

Section 4 Paragraphs h & i

Quote:

(h) Former Members. Members whose Accounts have been terminated by NC Interactive may not access the Service in any manner or for any reason, including through any other Account, without the express written permission of NC Interactive. Accounts accessed by Former Members are subject to immediate termination. NC Interactive reserves the right to use any means necessary, including those in section 4(i) to identify and remove Former Members.
(i) Related Accounts. If NC Interactive terminates an Account, NC Interactive may terminate any other Accounts that share the same member name, phone number, email address, postal address, Internet Protocol address, or credit card number with the terminated Account.

As you can see, not only does Anet give you the boot, you also are not welcomed back.

If a banned player buys a new account and is using any information linking to the original banned account, including their IP address, their new account is also banned.

Basically "locking you up and throwing away the key."

For all of you out there that have been banned and those countless more that think bans are a ploy by Anet to drive revenues, you are incorrect in such a theory.

Anphobia · Aug 14, 2007, 01:59 PM // 13:59

Good work! Some logic for once.

Tijger · Aug 14, 2007, 02:09 PM // 14:09

Hah, you think logic will convince people who believe such theories?

hyro yamaguchi · Aug 14, 2007, 02:12 PM // 14:12

Uh, whatever, does anyone even take such theories serious?

Like it's not more profitous to make someone telling their friends to buy the game, instead of telling them to NOT buy it because he is pissed off by his ban.

Cale Roughstar · Aug 14, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

If poeple cant see the message after reading that they should consider foster care for any future children they might have. Still, I love how reading between the lines gets you "You are BAD! BAD BAD BAD! GTFO kthxbi"

Patrick Smit · Aug 14, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by gene terrodon

There have been many "I got banned" threads posted in these forums.

It has always been inevitable that there will be a post stating that “the reason" for the bans were ultimately so Anet/NCSoft can sell more copies of their game.

Well that surely is not the case. For all of you conspiracy theorists out there please read a direct quote from the EULA.

Section 4 Paragraphs h & i

As you can see, not only does Anet give you the boot, you also are not welcomed back.

If a banned player buys a new account and is using any information linking to the original banned account, including their IP address, their new account is also banned.

Basically "locking you up and throwing away the key."

For all of you out there that have been banned and those countless more that think bans are a ploy by Anet to drive revenues, you are incorrect in such a theory.

IP should never be the sole reason to ban someone, too much dynamic structure in there, and PCs can be used by multiple persons (family internetcafe etc.)

I can think up a few cases where this may have led to problems with the AoT dupes as I recall some posts.

bwillcox · Aug 14, 2007, 02:50 PM // 14:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick Smit

IP should never be the sole reason to ban someone, too much dynamic structure in there, and PCs can be used by multiple persons (family internetcafe etc.)

I can think up a few cases where this may have led to problems with the AoT dupes as I recall some posts.

Perhaps, but it should be possible for them to recognize dynamic or shared IP addresses. If the IP address is static and belongs to a single person (as in my case) they can probably detect that and rightfully ban it.

StarrTheInsane · Aug 14, 2007, 04:10 PM // 16:10

Well, not in this case at the moment (I'm sure they aren't thinking about letting anyone back in over the duping exploit just yet), but in the past, if a good argument could be made on the behalf of the banned player, they have reactivated accounts. A former guildmate got banned because their machine thought he was a bot. He simply kept repeating the same path and actions farming and didn't respond to anyone talking to him. He had no idea why he'd been banned, got in touch with them and they explained that their machine picked up odd keystrokes and flagged him. He was reinstated.

Not likely for these people, but it can happen.

Solas · Aug 14, 2007, 04:25 PM // 16:25

yeah, i like this find^^

"AoT dupes"
what dupe was this?

HayesA · Aug 14, 2007, 05:20 PM // 17:20

This is an act to clearify. Many poeple think your IP address equates to something similar to your SSN. This is not true in a technical stand point. Although it's difficult for a "normal" user, it is not for those who know how.

Your IP address is, rightfully so, like your street address. It's like the address to your house/apartment. You can move your residence, yes? So, you can change your IP address in the same sense. Most ISPs can change your IP address for a price.

So, then, the logical step is to conclude that your computers' MAC address equates to your SSN. I'm sorry to say, no again. While your MAC address is slightly harder to change, it can be done. I would equate your MAC address to your computers' licsense to drive on the internet. It can be changed, but it's costly and annoying. Keep in mind that all network cards have a unique mac address, so change your network card.

So, then, what is soomething on your system that we can equate to a SSN? Nothing. That's part of the genius of computers: they can be changed in every way.

Though, I have to say this now: I do not condone, or reccomend the actions or steps to circumvent, or the attempt to circumvent end user agreenments, laws, or anything else that is "fishy." This is merely to clearify.

willie nelson · Aug 14, 2007, 10:36 PM // 22:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by gene terrodon

If a banned player buys a new account and is using any information linking to the original banned account, including their IP address, their new account is also banned.

A vast majority of players don't have a static IP adress.

KANE OG · Aug 15, 2007, 12:51 AM // 00:51

People buy a new game anyway, because they don't KNOW they'll be banned again. No, I don't subscribe to the conspiracy, just making a comment.

KANE

Agent Mold3r · Aug 15, 2007, 01:04 AM // 01:04

even if I was banned permanently, i wouldnt buy $150 worth of product again, what a waste.

You can't see me · Aug 15, 2007, 01:06 AM // 01:06

If anyone is as assanine to make a conspiracy theory about ingame bannings pertaining to other sales, especially with this fact on top, I'd let them fester in thier own pit of waste. Not even throw out a life preserver.

fleshharvest · Aug 15, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42

If this thread is referring to Galie's comment about "business analysis," then allow me to shed some light. It was a response to my pm to her saying that they're doing a nice job covering up the bans by not posting it on the main site. That wouldn't be a smart thing to do with the release of GW:EN just two weeks away. Bad PR :-p

Ohhh let the flames begin!

Batou of Nine · Aug 15, 2007, 01:51 AM // 01:51

@ OP, Thanks for pointing this out.

There are countless hundreds that NEVER actually read the EULA, and in the present epidemic, this is a great point to bring up and settle. My hat goes off to you sir.

And to play the devil's advocate...
This also begs the question, how is it that farmers seem to only multiply, rather then diminish (in some people's eyes). Of course, we do not know exact statistics of this, or if stats exist, but im sure Anet could argue they are diminishing. In regards to the current duping issue, why don't people get a clue and simply STOP trading for ecto OR armbraces until this is over. Problem solved. But people are greedy. lol

anyway, great thread. Something that is rare and far between
cheers.

Bowstring Badass · Aug 15, 2007, 01:56 AM // 01:56

Well I know what I need to do incase I get perma-banned.

Voltar · Aug 15, 2007, 02:26 AM // 02:26

People actually believe that Anet bans people in order to sell more copies? There's medication for that.

Riotgear · Aug 15, 2007, 05:22 AM // 05:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

This also begs the question, how is it that farmers seem to only multiply, rather then diminish (in some people's eyes).

Because as long as an account can generate more money than it cost to set up that account, especially with a bot controlling it, they'll make more accounts and more bots. Prices of the first two chapters have dropped. The economy is just as oriented around farmable items as it's always been. Do the math.

The "business" aspect of this has nothing to do with short-term sales and everything to do with integrity and player expectations. Go play Ragnarok Online a bit, it is virtually impossible to get ahead in that ridiculous game unless you're running a bot because the economy has inflated so badly and you're inevitably competing with other people that are running a bot. When cheaters thrive, it creates a situation where regular people get sick of the BS and leave. No one would play poker if everyone else at the table had cards up their sleeve.

Quote:

There are countless hundreds that NEVER actually read the EULA, and in the present epidemic, this is a great point to bring up and settle.

So by not reading something before you agree to it (and everyone did agree to it), they're exempt from it? Doesn't work that way.

freekedoutfish · Aug 15, 2007, 09:37 AM // 09:37

For anyone to possibly think Anet would ban a player to try and incourage them to re-buy a copy of the game is absolutely stupid.

How would that be good customer relations?
Why would you start replaying a game that obviously bans you unjustly?
If you are banned for good reason, why would you waste the money coming back?

Only a complete moron would re-buy a copy of a game that they were banned from! But if you're behaving badly and breaking the rules then good riddens to you!

If you have been banned incorrectly then contact the support team and ask for it to be restored! Its not rocket science.